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MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF THE
CITY OF NORTH RICHLAND HILLS, TEXAS
MARCH 14, 1991 - 7:30 P. M.
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at
7:30 P.M. by Vice Chairman James
Brock.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT:
Vice Chairman
Secretary
Members
Alt. Member
Dir. Community Dev.
Building Official
P & Z Coordinator
James Brock
David Barfield
Don Bowen
Ron Lueck
Don Collins
Pat Marin
Paul Miller
Barry LeBaron
Steve Pence
. Wanda Calvert
ABSENT:
Mark Wood
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Vice Chairman Brock recognized the
Mayor, City Council Members and City
Staff in the audience.
CONSIDERATION OF THE MINUTES
OF FEBRUARY 28, 1991
Ms. Marin made the motion to approve
the minutes as written. This motion
was seconded by Mr. Barfield and the
motion carried 7-0.
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PS 91-03
Public Hearing for consideration of a
revision to the Thoroughfare Plan
regarding Bursey Road.
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Mr. LeBaron explained that on February
11th, a group of citizens asked the
council to change Bursey Road from a
C4U, 4 lane collector, to a C2U, 2
lane collector. He said the council
asked the Planning and Zoning
Commission to look into this. Mr.
LeBaron said much study has been put
into this; he asked some
professionals, Planning Resource Group
who has been hired to update the
city's Comprehensive Master Plan,
Barton-Aschman Associates,
Transportation Planning Consultants,
and Richard Albin, engineer with
Knowlton, English, Flowers, to give us
their suggestions.
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Mr. LeBaron said when we summarized
the reports, the staff now feels we
should stay with a 48 foot pavement
width, but stripe it for a 2-lane or a
2-lane with a middle left turning
lane. He said they made a comparison
with Chapman, Hightower, Watauga, and
Starnes because the land use in these
areas are very similar.
Vice Chairman Brock stated he had some
letters in favor of leaving it a C4U;
they are from Lynn Warren, 7408 Bursey
Road and Gene Riddle, 7832 Waterford
Lane.
Vice Chairman Brock opened the Public
Hearing and called for anyone wishing
to speak in favor to please come
forward.
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Dan Echols, 5016 Nevada Trail, came
forward to speak against the change
from C4U to C2U. He stated this road
is needed to be able to handle the
traffic that will be there in the
future. Mr. Echols stated he talked
with the Watauga folks and they are
planning a 4 lane, but it is not build
yet. He said it is estimated that
there will be 90,000 people in North
Richland Hills in the future and the
traffic is going to be there whether
there is a 2 lane or a 4 lane. Mr.
Echols recommended they go ahead and
build the 4 lane and build it as safe
as possible or leave it alone and take
the money and spend it on Bedford
Euless Road or somewhere else.
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Jay Luger, 7921 Kendra, came forward.
He said if Watauga had wanted a 4 lane
road, they would not have repaired
their 2 lane road. He said he feels
Bursey Road is the worst road in North
Richland Hills, they are always out
patching it. Mr. Luger suggested they
go with a 2 lane now and in 10 or 15
years, if needed, go with a 4 lane.
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He said there is a curve at the
entrance to his street on Bursey where
he can hardly get out now, and the
curve needs to be taken out.
Mr. Bowen asked if he was against the
4 lanes or the pavement width.
Mr. Luger said he is against the
pavement width because they will lose
several trees. He said just a half a
mile north, they have put in a nice
new road that goes from somewhere to
nowhere, it does not do anything right
now. He said he bought out in this
area because of the cows and trees.
Vice Chairman Brock said this C4U road
has been on the Thoroughfare Plan
since 1967.
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Judith Leitner, 7332 Londonderry, a
realtor in NE Tarrant County, came
forward. She said most people move
into this area for peace and quiet.
She said when you increase traffic,
you increase speed and noise level.
Ms. Leitner said it effects the resale
value of homes and increases crime.
Al Corona, 8105 Fireside Drive, came
forward. He stated he is against the
C4 planning. He said if he had wanted
to live in a city, he would have gone
to Dallas or Fort Worth. He said he
wants the peace and quiet. Mr. Corona
said he lives in Ember Oaks and he
does not want Bursey opened to the
west, there are too many children in
the area.
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Konrad Roeder, 8016 Hunter Lane, came
forward. He submitted 200 petitions
from neighbors in the area wanting a 2
lane road. He also had pictures of
the area. He said the primary
arterial 6 lane road, North Tarrant
Parkway, to the north of Bursey has
been added to the city's Thoroughfare
Plan. Mr. Roeder said he is in favor
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of this road leading to Highway 35 and
360. He said Shady Grove Road was
previously a C4U and was reduced to a
C2U. He said Bursey Road will not
need to carry the traffic they had
thought it would generate. Mr. Roeder
said wider roads promote speed. He
said you need 200 feet of sight, but
at Kandy and Hunter, you only have 150
feet of sight distance. Mr. Roeder
said wider roads means more lanes to
cross. He said neighbors walk their
dogs, jog, ride bicycles, and there
are a lot of children playing in the
area. He said two large dogs have
been killed because of a sight
problem.
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Mr. Roeder said if you widen Bursey
for a 68 foot right of way, beautiful
50 year old oak trees will have to be
cut down; you can not move and
transplant a 50 year old tree. He
said he talked with Precinct 3 and was
assured that North Tarrant Parkway is
going through. Mr. Roeder requested
they down grade Bursey from a C4U to a
C2U. He said he has not had a chance
to discuss with the neighbors a 2 lane
with a turning lane and he does not
know their feelings on this.
David Wells, 7508 Bursey Road, came
forward. He said he will be the one
losing most of the trees. He said he
has a problem backing out of his
driveway onto Bursey now. He said he
travels Smithfield Road at Starnes
every day and it is vary dangerous,
people on Starnes have excess speed of
50 miles per hour. Mr. Wells said he
has lived here for 21 years and this
will destroy the value of his home.
He said you don't need Bursey widened
because you have North Tarrant
Parkway. He said to change Bursey
from C4 to C2.
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Vice Chairman Brock asked if anyone
had anything different to add to
please come forward.
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Mike McGee, 7900 Whispering Woods,
came forward. He said he is concerned
about property values. He said as
property values are lowered, the city
loses valuable tax dollars. Mr. McGee
said he is concerned about safety,
kids are important.
Ken Martin, 7416 Bursey Road, came
forward. He said he had lived here
for a long time. He said at the
previous meeting, two Councilmen said
they were in favor of the C2. Mr.
Martin said he had heard that Bursey
might swing into North Tarrant
Parkway.
Mr. LeBaron said you might could swing
it down, but he has not heard about
it.
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Mr. Martin said we don't need to build
Bursey for Keller's benefit.
Lans Rothfusz, 7916 Kendra Lane, came
forward. He said he was here to help
them make a decision. He said he is a
scientist, a manager and also works
for the Government. Mr. Rothfusz said
these studies did not mention anything
about safety. He said the list of
advantages of C4U falls apart. He
went over each one and discredited
them.
Coy B. Moon, 7301 Wexford Court, came
forward. He spoke in regard to the
Senior Citizens Center on Bursey. He
said he is surprised that someone has
not been killed there. Mr. Moon said
if you make Bursey larger and have
more speed and traffic, it would be
more dangerous.
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Vice Chairman Brock called for a show
of hands in favor of down grading
Bursey Road from a C4 to a C2. The
Chamber was almost full and most of
them raised their hands.
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Vice Chairman Brock closed the Public
Hearing.
Mr. Barfield said he used to live in
this area and at that time, there was
no east-west roads. He said he feels
we should work toward getting North
Tarrant Parkway to go through and he
believes Bursey should be down graded
or just left alone and take the money
and use it somewhere else.
Mr. Lueck said it is a shame we didn't
have these people present to push to
get North Tarrant Parkway. He said
North Richland Hills has tried, but it
is now out of our hands.
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Mr. Barfield said these people need to
call the State, go to other cities
like Keller and push for North Tarrant
Parkway. He said Keller says if we
put Bursey in, there will be no need
for North Tarrant Parkway. Mr.
Barfield said we need your help to put
pressure on the surrounding cities to
put North Tarrant Parkway through.
Mr. Bowen said he agrees with Mr.
Barfield and Mr. Lueck that we do need
North Tarrant Parkway, but without it,
we need Bursey to be 4 lanes. He said
we need all the support we can get for
North Tarrant Parkway.
Mr. Barfield said he recommends that
Bursey Road at this point, be down
graded from a C4U to a C2U on the
Master Thoroughfare Plan. This motion
was seconded by Mr. Lueck.
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Mr. Bowen said he thinks it is a
little premature to down grade to a
C2U since we don't know the status of
North Tarrant Parkway. He said since
funds have been allocated for Bursey,
he would hate to see them spent
elsewhere until we know what is going
to happen to North Tarrant Parkway.
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Mr. Barfield said he could amend his
motion to add that no action or
construction be done on this road
until North Tarrant Parkway becomes a
reality.
Mr. Barfield amended his motion to
say: he makes a motion to down grade
Bursey Road from a C4U to a C2U, but
at this point, the construction of the
C2U not be done until further studies
are done on North Tarrant Parkway so
we don't spend money foolishly.
This motion was seconded by Mr. Bowen
and the vote was 2-5, Barfield and
Bowen for the motion and Lueck, Marin,
Collins, Brock, and Miller against the
motion. The motion failed.
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Ms. Marin asked for a clarification of
the motion, did he mean to down grade
now or pending the outcome of North
Tarrant Parkway.
Mr. Barfield said he meant to down
grade it right now. He said we can
always go back 3 years, 5 years and up
grade it if it needs changing. Mr.
Barfield said maybe we just need to
make some repairs now and not go ahead
and put in the curbs and gutters.
Mr. Collins asked about the right of
way.
Mr. LeBaron said we will have to
purchase right of way for a C2U or a
C4U.
Mr. Lueck said he recommends we do not
do any construction until we know the
outcome of North Tarrant Parkway.
Vice Chairman Brock said the Council
wants a recommendation from P & Z. He
said we need some kind of a motion.
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Mr. Barfield said his recommendation
was to down grade to a C2U, just make
some repairs, and not build the road
at this time.
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Ms. Marin made a motion to down grade
Bursey Road from a C4 to a C2 and that
construction begin after more
consideration.
The motion died for lack of a second.
Mr. Lueck said we can see what the
neighborhood wants, but we will be
tying the City's hands if North
Tarrant Parkway does not go through.
He said if North Tarrant Parkway does
not go through, there would be an
enormous amount of cars on Bursey.
PS 91-03
APPROVED-CHANGE
Mr. Barfield made the motion to down
grade Bursey Road from a C4U to a C2U
and we send it to the Council stating
that no construction be done on it for
2 years.
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This motion was seconded by Mr. Lueck
and the motion carried 4-3 with
Barfield, Lueck, Brock, and Collins
for and Miller, Marin, and Bowen
against the motion.
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PZ 91-03
Public Hearing for request of Arthur
E. Gordon to rezone a portion of
Tracts 2A1 & 2A4, S. Richardson
Survey, Abstract 1266, from their
present classification of AG
Agriculture to LR Local Retail. This
property is located on the north side
of Green Valley Drive, adjacent to
7901 Green Valley Drive.
Vice Chairman Brock opened the Public
Hearing and called for those wishing
to speak in favor of this request to
please come forward.
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Arthur Gordon, 7901 Green Valley
Drive, came forward. He said he moved
here in 1981 and he was in residential
construction and his wife was in the
daycare business. Mr. Gordon said in
1984 he started construction of the
building for a daycare, but the city
discouraged him because it did not go
with the area.
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He said the building has set dormant,
used for a horse barn or for storage.
Mr. Gordon said about a year and a
half ago, he spoke with Mrs. Calvert
and she suggested he talk with Mr. Bob
Miller who came out and looked his
place over and thought it was a great
idea, but said at this time, it would
be spot zoning. He said Mr. Miller
suggested he wait until the elementary
school was built. Mr. Gordon said he
has kept up with the school plans and
they have submitted plans to build.
Vice Chairman Brock called for anyone
else wishing to speak in favor of this
request to please come forward.
There being no one wishing to speak,
he called for those wishing to speak
in opposition to please come forward.
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There being no one wishing to speak,
Vice Chairman Brock closed the Public
Hearing.
Mr. Lueck asked how soon he plans to
start.
Mr. Gordon said he had made
arrangements through Liberty Bank for
a loan and if he gets the zoning, he
could start right away.
Ms. Marin asked had they obtained a
license from the State and have they
approved his plans.
Mr. Gordon said yes, they have already
been through the orientation.
Mr. Lueck asked how many children will
this take care of.
Mr. Gordon said it has square footage
for 38 children, but Local Retail
zoning will allow for 75 kids. He
said he will add on when needed.
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Mr. LeBaron said they had one
telephone call from an individual who
could not be present tonight who was
in opposition to this request.
Mr. Barfield said the Commission needs
to look at the Zoning Map in this
area. He said there is commercial and
retail on Davis, but you have to go
north of North Tarrant Parkway to find
any commercial and south of Starnes
Road to find any commercial. He said
this area is all residential.
Mr. Lueck asked why you would want
residential next to a school.
Mr. Gordon said he owns 8 acres there.
PZ 91-03
APPROVED
Mr. Lueck made the motion to approve
PZ 91-03. This motion was seconded by
Ms. Marin and the motion carried 4-3
with Lueck, Marin, Collins, and Miller
for and Brock, Bowen, and Barfield
against.
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3.
PZ 91-04
Public Hearing for consideration of an
amendment to Zoning Ordinance #1080
regarding the screening of outside
storage in C-2 zoning.
Vice Chairman Brock opened the Public
Hearing and called for anyone wishing
to speak in favor of this amendment to
please come forward.
There being no one, the Vice Chairman
called for those wishing to speak in
opposition to this amendment to please
come forward.
There being no one, Vice Chairman
Brock closed the Public Hearing.
PZ 91-04
TABLED
Mr. Bowen recommended this item be
tabled for further study and language
change. This motion was seconded by
Mr. Barfield and the motion to table
carried 7-0.
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4.
PZ 91-05
Public Hearing for consideration of an
amendment to Zoning Ordinance #1080
regarding Accessory Buildings.
Vice Chairman Brock opened the Public
Hearing and called for anyone wishing
to speak in favor of this amendment to
please come forward.
There being no one, the Vice Chairman
called for those wishing to speak in
opposition to this amendment to please
come forward.
There being no one wishing to speak,
Vice Chairman Brock closed the Public
Hearing.
Mr. Barfield said he thinks item "E",
Section 24.7.1, of the Ordinance
should be deleted.
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Vice Chairman Brock stated this would
allow temporary buildings to be
located within an easement.
PZ 91-05
APPROVED
Mr. Barfield recommended approval of
PZ 91-05 with the exception of item
"E" of Section 24.7.1. This motion
was seconded by Mr. Miller and the
motion carried 7-0.
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PZ 91-06
Public Hearing for consideration of an
amendment to Zoning Ordinance #1080
regarding TV Satellite Disc Receivers.
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Vice Chairman Brock read the proposed
ordinance change: "Section 20.10.2-TV
satellite disc receivers shall be
allowed in any residential district or
in the AG-Agricultural District and
shall comply with the following
regulations: A. No TV satellite disc
receiver shall have a diameter greater
than ten (10) feet. B. TV satellite
disc receivers shall only be located
in a rear yard and no portion of the
receiver shall be less than six (6)
feet from any side or rear property
line. C. No TV satellite disc
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receiver shall be located within or
encroach upon any drainage or utility
easement. D. No portion of a
ground-base mounted TV satellite disc
receiver shall extend beyond fifteen
(15) feet above the existing grade and
the base shall be screened from view
with a six foot sight barring fence.
However, a ground-pole mounted TV
satellite disc receiver located
adjacent to and within three (3) feet
of the rear of the main structure
shall be allowed provided that the
bottom of the disc does not exceed
eighteen inches above the eaves of the
roof. Furthermore, a roof mounted TV
satellite disc receiver may be located
on the rear portion of a roof of a
main structure, provided that it not
be visible between ground level and
five (5) feet above ground level when
viewed from the front of the structure
at a point nearest the curb line or
edge of the street. E. No lettering,
logo, or any form of advertising shall
appear on the face or back of the disc
receiver, except the name of the
manufacturer or seller of the
reception disc. F. Only one TV
satellite disc receiver shall be
allowed per lot. G. TV satellite
disc receivers with a diameter of one
(1) meter, or less, can be installed
in a manner consistent with typical
television antennas."
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Mr. LeBaron passed out some drawings
to better explain the ordinance. He
said he divided them into 3
categories: ground mount, pole mount,
and roof mount. Mr. LeBaron said a
ground mount and a pole mount is
basically the same except, if it is a
traditional ground mount, the maximum
height is 15 feet, but if on a pole,
it could go up to a point that allows
the bottom of the disc to be 18 inches
above the eave of the house provided
the pole is within 3 feet of the
house. He said we are still staying
with the 10 foot maximum diameter, and
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for a roof mount, it has to be on the
rear of the roof and no roof mount can
be seen above a line of sight starting
at 5 feet above the street viewed from
the front of the house.
Vice Chairman Brock opened the Public
Hearing and called for anyone wishing
to speak to please come forward.
Mr. Bob Wright, 4836 Wedgeview Drive,
came forward. He said this ordinance
would not help him, He said his disc
is on the roof and you can see it from
the front of the house. He said it is
mounted about midway up the roof,
about two-third's of the way up the
roof. Mr. Wright said he did this
because of trees. He said he would
have to cut down some oak trees.
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Vice Chairman Brock said the
Commission is trying to keep it from
being seen from the street.
Mr. Wright said he has tons of
literature on the subject. He read
about a court case where an individual
won against city restrictions.
Mr. Lueck asked if this was State
Court.
Mr. Wright said it was District Court
in New Jersey in 1988. He said he
thinks the ordinance should be
flexible enough to allow them to be
mounted where necessary without having
to cut down 50 oak trees.
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Charles McCaslin, 5017 Ridgeview
Court, came forward. He said he sees
no problem with the amendment. He
said his disc would fall into this
category, except where it has to be 18
inches above the eave, his is a 5 inch
post set in concrete and it is 21~
inches above the eave. Mr. McCaslin
said it has got to be 21~ inches above
in order to turn.
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Mr. Lueck asked how high his was.
Mr. McCaslin said his disc was right
at 15 feet high and goes above the
roof 21 inches.
Mr. Lueck asked what size the disc
was.
Mr. McCaslin said it is 10 feet.
Vice Chairman Brock called for anyone
else wishing to speak to please come
forward.
There being no one wishing to speak,
the Vice Chairman closed the Public
Hearing.
Mr. Barfield asked if they could
re-word it to say the clearance would
be no greater than necessary.
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Mr. LeBaron said we need some number.
He said it could go to 24 inches with
a 15 foot maximum height.
Mr. Wright said you can't hide them;
you can see Mr. McCaslin's disc from
the street.
Mr. McCaslin said he lives on a corner
lot, but you can not see it from the
front of the street.
Mr. Barfield said what the Commission
is trying to do is to keep them from
the front yard, keep them in the back
yard or on the back of the roof. He
said, because of science, probably in
5 years, the antennas will be only 3
feet and the ordinance will not be
needed.
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Mr. Wright said he does not mind
paying for a permit, he just wants his
antenna. He said he thinks the
ordinance should be simplified.
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Mr. Lueck asked Mr. Wright if his
could be seen from the street.
Mr. Wright said he does not think you
can put it on the roof without seeing
it.
Mr. LeBaron said this sight is
measured from directly in front of the
house.
Mr. Lueck said he doesn't think it is
so bad to see one, but he would not
want one in the front yard. Mr. Lueck
said he would like to change the size
of the disc to 12 feet in diameter and
to not require a screening fence. He
said the screening fence sometimes
looks worse than the disc.
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Vice Chairman Brock said if you have a
fence around the back yard, it takes
care of that.
Mr. LeBaron said the staff would like
to suggest the following changes:
paragraph d, second sentence, change
the word "and" to "or" and change the
"18 inches" to "24 inches". He said
the second sentence would read as
follows: "However, a ground-pole
mounted TV satellite disc receiver
located adjacent to or within 3 feet
of the rear of the main structure
shall be allowed provided that the
bottom of the disc does not exceed 24
inches above the eaves of the roof."
Ms. Marin said we also need to change
it from a "disc receiver" to "receiver
Disc".
PZ 91-06
APPROVED
Mr. Lueck made the motion to approve
PZ 91-06 with the following changes:
Section 20.10.2
A. No TV satellite disc receiver
shall have a diameter greater than 12
feet.
D. Remove screening fence
requirement; on the 5th line, change
"and" to "or" and on the 7th line of
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paragraph "D", change "18" inches to
"24" inches.
This motion was seconded by Mr.
Barfield and the motion carried 6-1
with Vice Chairman Brock voting
against.
6.
PS 90-39
Discussion regarding the Neighborhood
Preservation Plan for the area
adjacent to Bedford-Euless Road.
Mr. LeBaron said we have several
different options. He said several
have called and said they were unable
to attend the two meetings we had. He
said we may want to survey all the
property owners by sending out a
questionnaire.
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Mr. Barfield said he would hope that
would give us a consensus. He said
at the last meeting, approximately 30%
did not want to do anything and 60%
wanted to do something; what if there
were 50-50. Mr. Barfield said he felt
we need to do some test cases; try
some barricades; close some streets
temporarily; see if the through
traffic and vandalism gets better.
Mr. Lueck said most of the people
think that something must be done on
Bedford-Euless and Grapevine Highway.
Dan Echols came forward. He said we
need to make sure they know the need
for turn lanes and a signal light; ask
the council to make an effort on
Grapevine Highway also.
Vice Chairman Brock said he feels we
need to study it more.
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Mr. Barfield said to have a
representative from the fire and
police departments at our next
workshop.
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ADJOURNMENT
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Mr. Echols said we need to also
include the people on Pearl and
Jennings which is a very dangerous
area.
Mr. LeBaron said since there are no
zoning cases to be heard at the next
meeting, we could schedule a workshop
during the week of the 25th, maybe on
Tuesday night. He said we have some
other items to discuss also. Mr.
LeBaron said they could decide after
he talks to the planning consultant
who needs to be there.
Vice Chairman Brock said he has no
conflict with that.
The meeting adjourned at 9:30 P.M.
Secretary Planning & Zoning Commission
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