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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPZ 1985-05-23 Minutes ~ . MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NORTH RICHLAND HILLS, TEXAS, May 23, 1985 - 7:30 P. M. CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order by the Chairman, Don Bowen, at 7:30 P. M. ROLL CALL PRESENT: Chairman Secretary Members Don Bowen John Schwinger Marjorie Nash Mark Wood Joe Hallford Richard Royston Betty Sorrels Alt. Member Dir. Planning & Dev. P & Z Clerk Absent: George Tucker CONSIDERATION OF THE MINUTES of MAY 9, 1985 Ms. Nash made the motion to approve the minutes as written. This motion was seconded by Mr. Wood and the motion carried 5-0. PS 85-26 Request of James W. Brock for replat of Lots 7R & 15R, Block 1, Parkridge Estates. . Chairman Bowen opened the Public Hearing and called for those wishing to speak in favor of this request to please come forward. Doug Long of 1615 Precinct Line Road, Hurst, came forward. Mr. Long said the Surveyor that was representing the case could not be there and had asked him to speak in his place. He said the owners wanted to combine about 8,000 sq. feet of one lot with another lot. The owners were not trying to gain extra lots but were only reshifting the lot lines. Chairman Bowen called for those wishing to speak in opposition of this request to please come forward. . Ben Shilcutt 4801 Rufe Snow Drive, came forward. He said he was not against the request but that he could not see a five foot easement or right of way shown within his property lines after the replat. He felt . . . ~ Page 2 P & Z Minutes May 23, 1985 there would be a problem with bringing a sewer line into the existing property. He and his neighbors did not want the City going through their yards and fences to the then new existing vacant lot that would be there. Mr. Shilcutt's understanding was that in order to rep1at this lot, the sewer line would go to the existing NEW corner of the property which would be the northwest corner. Mr. Wood said it did not address City comments. Chairman Bowen asked Richard Royston, Dir. of Planning and Development for clarification. Mr. Royston said it did not seem to be a problem with the Engineer. He did not see any difficulty staying inside the property lines. Mr. Schilcutt stated that there are not any easements on either side of the lot. Mr. Royston stated that easements were provided on either side of the lot. Mr. Shilcutt said the County Court House records show the property was sold with only five feet of easement on the buyer's side, not on 4801 Rufe Snow side. Mr. Royston said that he had applied for the easement inside of the rep1at property. The developer would have to stay within that easement. Mr. Shi1cutt said he wanted it on record that they would like to see the owner get it. Mr. Royston said the easement would be worked out with the Engineer. PS 85-26 APPROVED Mr. Schwinger made the motion to approve and Ms. Nash seconded. The motion carried 5-0 . . . ~ Page 3 P & Z Minutes May 23, 1985 PS 85-30 Request of New Century Development for final plat of Sunnybrook Addition, 2nd filing. Chairman Bowen opened the Public Hearing and called for those wishing to speak in favor of this request to please come forward. Doug Long, 1615 Precinct Line Road, Hurst, came forward. Chairman Bowen said the Commission had questions about the plat and the comments by Richard Royston concerning the cul-de-sacs. Mr. Royston did not want the cul-de-sacs to be so open. Mr. Long said that he had talked to Mr. Royston and had talked to Mr. Riddle today. Mr. Riddle said that he did not have a problem with them as they are. It was what ever the Commission wanted but that he had suggested to Mr. Royston to leave the dedication as it is. They could come back at a later date for any improvement to one entry like Mr. Royston wanted. These changes are included in the sketch. Mr. Long's engineer plans showed a 60 foot pavement back to curb, back to curb. however, Mr. Riddle might not want the City to participate in a 49 foot width and might want to reconsider. Mr. Long said he could do whatever the Commission wished. He thought the dedication and plat should stay like it is. The City could use additional R.O.W. at a later date. The final engineering plans could change to fit a more normal cul-de-sac opening if that is what the City wanted. Mr. Riddle had mentioned that he could have a problem either way. Chairman Bowen said Mr. Royston's design was from a safety stand point. Mr. Long said he could go either way but still felt the dedication should stand, and not go back and change the plat. . . . ~ Page 4 P & Z Minutes May 23, 1985 Mr. Long said he would rather get on with the project. He also said that in the future there may be a necessity for a free left hand turn movement. There is a transition of 60 feet to 49 feet that would not cost as much to change. Chairman Bowen asked Mr. Royston if that met with approval. Mr. Royston indicated that it did meet approval. Chairman Bowen asked if the approval should be in the form of a stipulation concerning the cul-de-sacs. Mr. Royston said the motion required engineering to be changed. He agreed that it could be handled within the dedication. The engineering needed to be modified. Mr. Schwinger made the motion subject to Engineer's comments that applicant's engineer review his street design and revise his cul-de-sacs to more conventional design. Ms. Nash seconded the motion Chairman Bowen asked for approval of motion. PS 85-30 APPROVED The motion was approved 5-0 PS 85-31 Request of H.C.A. Health Services of Texas, Inc. for final plat of Lot 1, Block F, Calloway Farms Addition. Chairman asked those who wished to speak in favor of this request to come forward. Jim Saylor, 4509 Shady Lake, came forward. He said he was the Administrator of North Hills Medical Center, which was owned by H.C.A. Health Services. He felt that they had met most of the requirements addressed in the Engineer's report. However, they had two concerns. ~ Page 5 P & Z Minutes May 23, 1985 . First, he had heard mentioned that R.O.W. would need to be purchased from the other side of the street which is residential. Mr. Royston said he did not know where that comment originated. The City's concern is that the existing R.O.W. is 62 feet wide. Our ultimate need is 68 feet. An extra 6 foot is needed for additional R.O.W. to meet the Thoroughfare Plan. It seems appropriate fpr additional footage to come from that plat, if that is satisfactory. Mr. Royston said he did not want to move into the residential area. Mr. Saylor said he had brought Jeffrey Peterman of Carter-Burgess, Inc. He asked Mr. Peterman if additional easement was taken off the plat. . Mr. Peterman said the extra easement was not shown to be removed at this time. The plat could be modified. Mr. Saylor said the plat would be modified for the six foot easement. Chairman Bowen said he had a question concerning a 20 foot wide concrete pilot channel along the drainage easement. Mr. Saylor stated that this was their second problem. Chairman Bowen said the problem has not been addressed in the Engineer's letter. . Mr. Saylor agreed that the problem had not been addressed. He said that in 1982 when the property was platted for the first time and the final plat portions approved the City's requirements were met at that time. At that time a new channel had been created going down through their property. Previously it had just emptied into the property and somehow got down to the bridge. At that time concrete channeling was not a requirement. If concrete is required ~ Page 6 P & Z Minutes May 23, 1985 . either completely lined or with the bottom lined completely at this time, the project would not be feasible. We are talking about a 50,000 sq. foot net building. The estimates are from $378,000 to one million for concreting. Health Services still owns the channel and it is their responsibility to clean and maintain it. We have the land on both sides of the channel that we intend to keep as a green area. He said he had a dream of having bridges built across the creek with running and walking paths among the trees. There were no immediate plans for further development other than a wilderness area behind the Center. That was in the future. . Mr. Saylor said Federated Stores owned the easement at the other end of the creek. He had talked to their representative and the representative was unaware that the easement still existed. In historical research, North Hills Mall was trying to get a street access across the area. North Hills has since gained access onto Glenview and with Glenview going to four lanes, he does not see the utilization of the easement by Federated. Mr. Saylor said half of the easement is in the bend of the creek. With it being so costly to build a bridge, a road would not be feasible. One of these days it might be feasible to pull some of the land from the 100 year Flood Plain. The North Hills Medical Building opening occupancy was already 50%, leaving 50% for future growth. It would be three stories and will need extra physicians. He would like to continue the project and not have to price out the project. . Chairman Bowen stated that the engineer's letter does require either that the channel be built or money put in escrow. The Commission does not have the prerogative to take an engineer's comment of this scope out . . . ~ Page 7 P & Z minutes May 23, 1985 out of a plan. The best thing for the Commission to do is let it be decided by the Staff and City Council. Mr. Saylor said that it was also his understanding. Chairman Bowen said the Commission did not have the prerogative to waive the comments. Mr. Saylor said he did not have a problem with that. Mr. Wood asked if the Commission could make a recommendation to that effect. Chairman Bowen said it could be done if it was the Commission's desire. Mr. Schwinger asked if the issue could be tabled until the City Engineer and the applicant's Engineer could come to an agreement. Chairman Bowen stated that they could not do that. They must move the request along. He felt that it was a City Council and Staff level decision. Mr. Royston said the comments are related to the technical design and financial obligation so it is appropriate for City Council to decide. Mr. Wood said he had a question to ask Mr. Royston. Mr. Wood said that since he was not an engineer and did not know about water flow, what would be the benefit in an earthen channel rather than a concrete one. Would it not be an advantage since the bare earthen channel would absorb more water and lessen the water flow. Mr. Royston said that it would not. A concrete channel is not strictly for water flow. The advantages are in maintenance and accessibility. This pilot channel is a compromise position from a complete concrete channel. ~ Page 8 P & Z Minutes May 23, 1985 The first discussion was on the Ordinance requirement for 100 feet of concrete lining. The Channel Cross Section is close to the 100 year Flood Plain. The concrete pilot is a maintenance issue as well as keeping out willow trees and cat tails. . Chairman Bowen asked if there were any more questions. There not being any more questions, he asked for a motion Mr. Schwinger made the motion with the stipulation that the drainage channel of Calloway Branch be improved by the addition of a concrete pilot of 20 feet in width for a distance of 430 feet. There would also be a requirement for a 68 foot R.O.W secured from Booth Calloway Road. Mr. Wood seconded . Chairman Bowen reminded the Commission that basically the decision was subject to the Engineers comments. Chairman Bowen then asked for approval of motion. PS 85-31 APPROVED The motion was approved 5-0 PZ 85-40 Consideration of the revised Thoroughfare Plan. Chairman Bowen said that there were requests to speak about Riviera street. He wanted to assure the audience that Riviera does not change under the Plan. Riviera is a collector street and remains a collector street under the Plan. He said he had no idea how a letter got circulated that their street would change. Riviera street would not be widened. He then asked for those wishing to speak to come forward. . Robert White, 7353 Riviera, came forward. He felt that there had been a misunderstanding and the residents had just picked up on the plan to make a change. The proposed map indicates a heavy dash line but no designation. Legend on the map shows that type to be a C4U street instead of a R2U street as it was now. Page 9 P & Z Minutes May 23, 1985 . Mr. Royston, of the City Staff, stated that the map does have a C2U intention for a 60 foot C2U designation but if extra R.O.W. was needed then there could be restricted one side of the street parking. That decision would be in the future. Mr. White said he was concerned about possible speed increases on that street. Residents are happy with the way things are. Mr. White felt that commercial interests were pushing for this change to alleviate some of the traffic from the Malls, and Grapevine Highway. Chairman Bowen said there were not any plans to change Riviera. When Edison was rep1atted, the Commission promised not to open Riviera. The Commission had kept their promise. . Kay White, 7303 Riviera, came forward. She said that the Thoroughfare map showed an extension to Edison. Chairman Bowen said that the street did not connect with Riviera. Mr. Wood stated that the lines on the map only looked like the streets connected. Mrs. White asked if the barricades would stay up to keep traffic from coming from Edison through Riviera. Mr. White asked that the street stay as it is. Mr. Mike Boydstun, 6709 Riviera, came forward. He said his main concern was keeping Riviera as it is. Mark Slusser, 6733 Riviera, came forward. He said that he understood that Riviera would remain as is. . Mr. Wood said that the Commission would do whatever possible to keep Riviera a neighborhood street. ~ Page 10 P & Z Minutes May 23, 1985 . Rosalyn Reeves, 7224 Riviera, came forward. She stated that her main concern was to keep Riviera as it is. She also was concerned that people driving on Edison would see Riviera and want to drive across to their street. Robert Taylor, 4724 Mackey Drive, came forward. He said he did not have much to add to what Bob White had already said. His concern was for the school children whose main school route was north to south. His grandchildren and other school children would be forced to cross the east to west heavy traffic flow that would come from that direction. He felt commercial interests were pushing for the opening of Vance street and that area. This opening was a danger to the school children traffic wise. . Mr. Royston stated that Riviera would not be open to outside traffic but would remain an internal collector street. Chairman Bowen stated that Riviera would remain just like it is. Steve Pierce, 6640 Dewsbury, wanted to know about Chapman Road. He wanted to know who would bear the expense of moving his swimming pool to obtain the R.O.W. for Chapman. The widening would take part of his yard. Mr. Royston stated that if he had not already been asked for R.O.W. within the last three months the City would not need the R.O.W. now. . Jack Roseberry, 8912 Martin Drive, came forward. His concern was Crane Road. He said that if the road was to take the route indicated on the map his and his neighbor's land would be split in half. He did not think that he and his neighbor should lose their homes after all their expense. He showed pictures of his house and tennis courts and grounds. The two of them had bought seven and one quarter ~ Page 11 P & Z Minutes May 23, 1985 . acres of land to build the two houses. Lee Bonham, 8920 Martin Drive, came forward. He said that by veering the road, it would bring it right through his bedroom. He said that by changing the road it could not help but split their property. Chairman Bowen said the plan was at a stalemate. The road had to go through some where. The Commission and City Council had a problem with this. Chairman Bowen called for discussion of Items No.7, 9, and 10, of the Thoroughfare Plan. Chairman Bowen stated that Melbourne Road, #7, was designated C4U street, but felt that the City of North Richland Hills would not want to pay $20 a foot. He felt the City of Hurst should take the monetary obligation. . Mr. Schwinger said that Browning Boulevard, #9, should have comments restricted to the first sentence of the request. "The extension of this street into Haltom City to connect with Highway 377 is advisable." The rest of the street designation to be negotiable when Haltom City is contacted. Chairman Bowen stated that item #10 should be dropped from the Plan since TCJC Administration is not supportive. Chairman Bowen asked for comments. Ms. Nash said she supported TCJC. Richard Royston agreed to remove that length of proposed change. . Cliff Stephens, 9201 Kirk Lane, came forward. He said he and his sister owned about 40 acres of land above Starnes Road around Little Bear Creek. He would like to know if Starnes Road would go into Rumfield Road. The map showed that it would connect. Page 12 P & Z Minutes May 23, 1985 · · PZ 85-40 APPROVED ADJOURNMENT f!2~i!2 · Chairman Bowen said that the road would go through wherever the best route was available. This would be decided later. Mr. Stephens wanted to know where Starnes would come into Precinct Line. Chairman Bowen said he did not know. There being no one else to speak, Mr. Wood made a recommendation to send the Thoroughfare Plan back to City Council with the Commission's comments and changes. Item #7 and Item #10 to be dropped from the Plan. Recommendation to keep Riviera street a regular collector street should also be included as a R2U designation. Mr. Schwinger made the motion to send the Thoroughfare Plan back to the City Council with the Commission's recommendations. Mr. Wood seconded the motion. The motion was approved 5-0. ng adjourned Ð11á? Chairman Planning & Zoning Commission I ~ Co ission